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the police officer at the heart of the most controversial case in the country right now really stayed out of site, now that this grand jury is now not indicted darren wilson, we are learning more about how the 28-year-old police officer got through the last three months. apparently he moved house to house to house, including crashing at his attorney's place for a little while, frequenting spots where he could hide his face, dark places like movie theaters. remember, it was back in mid-august when wilson's name was revealed to the public as that ferguson police officer who shot and killed unarmed teenager, michael brown jr. wilson's attorneys, they talked to my colleague, don lemon, about the moment wilson realized that the public knew who he was. >> you know, when the news broke, one of the things that happened that some of the local media went to the house that they lived in. he literally, literally, had to leave that house within three hours. his front yard, he was cutting the grass when he found out, he had to leave the grass, literally, half-mowed. and he had to go into hiding.
>> being a police officer, you're aware of your surroundings. officer wilson is now very heightened of his surroundings. so if you want to be like you're in prison, that may be one analogy, but he's very aware of his surroundings, even more so today than he was three months ago. >> his lawyers also say darren wilson knows his career in law enforcement is over, that he is close to leave ferguson's force. not a matter of if, but when. as far as how he moves on, how his life in the ferguson area today, let's go to sara sidner. she's been in the thick of this from before and middle to now, hopefully, the end. sara sidner, tell me, are things quieter, calmer where you are today? >> reporter: they are, they are. we're not outside the police department, where usually the protesters begin during the day. but things usually get a little more crowded at nighttime. so we should make that clear. but last night, the crowds
nowhere near as large as they were over this past week. i do want to show you in the daylight, what some of the destruction is here. and you know, there's a lot of talk by the protesters, and by the brown family, that, you know, a lot of the message that they were trying to get out was lost, because when people see these images, when residents see what's happened to, for example, this car lot here in dellwood, which is on west florissant, just a little ways away from ferguson, when they see the destruction to the local businesses, the mom and pop shops that have been looted and burned, really, that's all they can concentrate on. because their frustration is very high with that, because this community is already a struggling community, trying to revive itself, after, like the rest of america, a difficult 2008 and beyond, because of the financial crash. and so there's a lot of frustration that the message that people were trying to get out was lost, because of those people who decided to do criminal activity. yes, there is an investigation going on, to try to figure out
exactly who's responsible for doing some of this. if you look on these cars, too, to give you an idea, that ba there means the bomb and arson units have come out to check out this area, to try to start their investigations. we know that this will be happening throughout west florissant and south florissant, where much of the damage happened, brooke. >> let me just follow up, quickly. and i know you weren't planning on talking about on tv, necessarily, but so many people, really, around the world, are seeing ferguson painted one way. and there was a really incredibly decent family who, you know, brought warm food to y'all. i think that just speaks volumes to the people who live there, who love this town, and who didn't want this. >> reporter: absolutely. i'm really happy you brought that up. i wrote something on facebook this morning, just to, you know, my friends, to talk about the rafik family. they're from pakistan, they opened up a subway very near to where the protests have originated, outside the police department. they've lost about 60% of their
business, but, you know, that's where we all go to eat, because it's the closest place and they've managed to stay open throughout all of this. and i was sitting, waiting for a live shot. it was snowing like crazy, and all of a sudden we got a knock on the door, on our satellite truck,s and it was mr. rafik, they had hot food. they love indian food. they brought it to me, sat it down, and we ate, all of us. two, three of us ate. and i have to tell you, that is really the story here. the people that live there. and it is heartbreaking for me, personally, to see what has happened to so many of the residents that live in ferguson. and i'm talking also about those who are peacefully protesting. they're going to have to deal with this as well. brooke? >> i'm just -- i thought it was worth mentioning, especially on this thanksgiving. sara sidner, thank you, in ferguson for me on this thanksgiving. you have michael brown's parents, of course, they are still very much so reeling from the grand jury's decision not to indict officer darren wilson in
the shooting death of their 18-year-old son. brown's mother broke down. she wept when she talked to h hln's nancy grace about the moment she saw her son's body sprawled in the middle of the street. >> ma'am, you had just said that you wanted to break through that crime scene tape and go to him, and do what? what did you want? >> i wanted my son off the ground. i wanted them to show him some respect. like we were showing them that's my first boy, laying on the ground. that hurt me to my heart, to know that somebody hurt.
>> finally, when they got him off the ground, where did he go, and where did you go? >> they told us they were taking him to a place called berkeley. i didn't know what that was. i asked him, what is that? once again, disrespect. telling us to calm down. we haven't did anything. we've stood here and waited 4 1/2 hours for you to pick my son off the ground. and i asked you where you taking his body, and then you tell me to calm down. why? what? i need to know where he's going to be. we didn't know where he was for two weeks. >> what was berkeley? >> i still don't know right now to this day. >> you did not know where his body was for two weeks? >> after berkeley, it was supposed to be in a medical examiner. but the question is, why didn't we get to see him? >> hmm. and as michael brown's parents
describe their own grief, we know that trayvon martin's parents have reached out and martin's father described the advice he gave to michael brown senior. here is his conversation with cnn's john berman. >> you keep on saying, you know, none of us can understand what it must be like to go through what michael brown's parents are going through right now. you are someone who, i think, understands it all too well. it's got to be so difficult to have to grieve in such a public way. >> i think it's tough. first of all, i just would like to take my hats off -- my hat off to the brown family, for standing up for their son and continuing to keep his name in the forefront, and keep his name focused. it's tough to grieve in public. especially as men, it's very tough for us to grieve in public. and one thing i tried to relate
to mr. brown is that, there's no certain way to grieve and there's no time period on your grieving process. all of us grieve differently. but it's painful and it's going to be a long process. >> we also, lewis, had the stepfather of michael brown attract other night, when the decision from the grand jury became public. and he was shouting, burn this down, burn the down, burn this down. you say everyone reacts in different ways and grieves in different ways. i wonder what you made of that reaction? >> that's just a natural reaction. that's -- that was emotions. that was raw emotions. and for his reaction to be that, he's hurt. he's hurting. he's a hurting part of that family. and you -- at times, we expect emotions to run high. and, you know, i just pray for their family. i pray for him, i pray for the
family, and i hope that we can help them get through this. >> john berman speaking with trayvon martin's father. just ahead here on cnn, there are serious questions about the man who helped perform the autopsy on michael brown. this is the autopsy asked by the family, not only is he being called a fraud, but when cnn interviewed him, he got very fiery. you will hear that. also ahead, in cleveland, we are now seeing the chilling video of police shooting a 12-year-old boy, holding a toy gun. hear why the 911 operator's warning to police is creating more questions than answers. o with car insurance? an apron is hard work. an apron is pride in what you do. an apron is not quitting until you've made something a little better. what does an apron have to do with car insurance? for us, everything.
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you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you so much for being here with me on thanksgiving. now to this one. this is out of cleveland, ohio, because now we know what police there did not know when they answered a call about a guy, this is their word, a guy in a park with a gun last saturday afternoon. what they didn't know is that this guy was a boy. tamir rice, 12 years of age. even worse, they weren't told that the gun was probably fake. that was the words from the person who called it in, the person who saw this boy at the park, when they called it into 911. now, new surveillance video shows us that it took about 2 seconds for an officer to shoot this 12-year-old after pulling up in a patrol car. cnn's george howell has the video and the details, but i just have to warn you, the video
capturing the moments the boy was shot is graphic and may be very tough to watch. >> reporter: this video was recorded on a security camera in a cleveland park, and it shows tamir rice moving in and out of view. keep in mind, these are the last few moments of this 12-year-old's life. a video his family wants you to see. first, we see rice pacing the sidewalk, brandishing what looks to be a weapon. at one point, even taking a two-handed shooting stance. all the while, police say he was being watched. >> the gentleman sitting in the gazebo is the gentleman that called into our dispatch center. >> reporter: here's that initial call to 911. >> i'm sitting in the park at west boulevard by the west boulevard rapid transit station. and there's a guy in here with a pistol. and it's probably a fake one, but he's pointing it at everybody. >> reporter: in fact, the caller points out twice the gun is probably fake. >> the guy keeps pulling it in and out -- it's probably fake,
but you know what, he's scaring the [ bleep ] out of me. >> reporter: here's the clip that shows why the man called 911. the object that looks like a handgun, we now know, is really a toy pellet gun, and rice seems to point it at this person, whose identity is blurred. police say he's also seen here, reaching for his cell phone, then having a conversation. minutes later, rice moves to the gazebo, where he's now alone. this just minutes before police arrive, and now we know exactly what the dispatcher told the responding officers before they arrived. notice how she never relays the information that it may be a fake gun. >> everybody's tied up with priorities, there's a guy sitting on the swing pointing at gun at people. >> a few seconds later, she describes rice, but, again, fails to pass along the words the 911 caller used about the gun probably being fake. >> in the park by the youth center is a black male sitting on a swing.
he's wearing a camouflage hat, a grey jacket, with black sleeves, said he keeps pulling ing ing a his pants and pointing it at people. >> reporter: what happens next happens very quickly. >> the officers ordered him to show his hands, and to drop the weapon, and the young man pulled the weapon out and that's when the officer fired. >> reporter: in the dispatcher's audio, you can hear officer's grim call for help. >> radio, shots fired. male down. black male, maybe 20. black revolver or a black handgun. send ems this way. >> even as they call for help, the officer's still not understanding that they'd shot a 12-year-old boy carrying a toy gun. >> this is not an effort to exonerate, it's not an effort to
show the public that anybody did anything wrong. this is an obvious tragic event, where a young member of our community lost their life. we've got two officers that were out there protecting the public that just had to, you know, do something that nobody wants to do. >> reporter: george howell, cnn, atlanta. >> let's talk about this with mel robbins, our cnn legal analyst. and mel, we shouldn't have a dead 12-year-old, period. but here's my question. because the dispatch has been criticized for not relaying to police that, you know, it could have been a fake gun. shouldn't police not assume it's fake, when they roll up on the scene? >> well, it's a great question. absolutely. and when you look at the comments online, there are a lot of people saying, hey, what do you expect a police officer to do in a situation where they're going on, quote, a gun run. let's talk about the families here, brooke, okay?
>> yeah. >> so first off, we've got the obvious. the fact that there was pertinent information, the fact that this caller, who was in eye shot of the 12-year-old child, you know, that the gun was probably fake, that was not relaid. that's failure number one. failure number two, can you possibly explain to me how you can warn somebody three times when you are driving up at the suspect, at a rate of speed, across the grass, with the windows up and the doors closed? can you tell me how you do that three times? and do it while the car is advancing that quickly from that far away? i'm not buying that. third, what about establishing a safe perimeter, instead of pulling up 8 to 10 feet away from a child in a speeding police car? also, why are you not -- you're delivering a warning coming out of the car with your guns drawn versus your guns firing. and finally, why is it, as a trained police officer, you're
assuming that the 12-year-old child that you just shot on a playground next to a youth center is a 20-year-old man, brooke? there are so many questions, so many failures in this particular instance. and i personally, in my mind, when i watched this, i was so incredibly upset, because this officer fires before he's even out of the car fully, brooke. he comes out of that car firing, and there was no reason they had to do it this way. >> that's -- this is what i want to talk about. i'm hearing you tick through points one through four. what should a police officer, in this kind of situation, he doesn't know if it's a fake or real gun. we do see this child in this surveillance video pointing this gun at people in close range as they're passing by, before police, as you point out, roll up, speeding through that yard, incredibly close to him. how should the officer have responded? >> those people that --
fine. pull up on the road, away from the kid, jump out of the cars, and yell at him in a manner where the kid can -- actually hear you versus -- even if the officer had the door open, brooke, and was yelling -- >> mel, i'm sorry, we're pulling out because we're having issues with skype. i apologize. but let me just promise you this, we're going to keep talking about this story out of cleveland, but as mel is pointing out, it's not entirely adding up. mel robbins, thank you so much. let's move along. developing right now, this car loaded with explosives has been detonated in afghanistan as a convoy carrying foreign workers was passing by. we'll take you loof to tive to pentagon for more on that. plus, the man who helped perform michael brown's autopsy and became a media star is being called a fraud. and when cnn confronted him about his credentials, he got fiery. >> he has. holy [ bleep ]! excuse my language, but i've got [ bleep ] e-mails to prove him
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at least four children are among the wounded in a suicide car bomb attack on a convoy with foreign embassy cars today in kabul, the capital of afghanistan. we know that the explosion killed five people and wounded 33. also in kabul, a trio of armed insurgents attacked a profit of relief and international organization. kabul police tell cnn that two of the attackers were killed.
let's go to the pentagon with more on this. our correspondent, barbara starr, joining me on this thanksgiving. barbara star, what more do we know? >> reporter: well, brooke, one of the questions being asked now, why these types of targets, embassy vehicle, other organizations in kabul. you know, is the taliban looking for a new set of targets now that the military force is downsizing there? in fact, by the end of the year, in just a few weeks, the u.s. is expected to only have only about 10,000 troops in afghanistan. nato troops pulling out, the combat mission, if you will, essentially over to large extent by the end of this year. so what are the taliban up to? these horrific attacks, many people will tell you, are part of the taliban strategy to destabilize the country. they -- they're not going to get afghanistan back under their control, as they had it so many years ago, but if they can destabilize the security mirp situation, if they can make the
afghan people question if their own government can protect them, that's the kind of destabilization where the taliban thrives and where they do begin to take power back in remote, rural areas. so, there's a lot of concern about all of this, this latest attack today against this embassy vehicle convoy was just one of several, just a few days ago, two u.s. troops were killed in an ied attack. and six u.s. troops wounded in that attack. it was one of the biggest against u.s. forces in a very long time. another horrific attack at a sporting match in afghanistan. a lot of concern about what m might be coming between now and the end of the year. >> let's hope not. barbara starr, thank you so much. and speaking of our men and women who we are so grateful for today on this thanksgiving, serving our country today and yesterday and all the years to come, we just wanted to take a minute in between maybe your bites of turkey. let's pay tribute with some videos showing absolutely the best part about coming home.
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opportunity. that's the real walmart. bottom of the hour. you're watchi ining cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. ferguson officials are now searching for a missing ar-15 assault rifle they believe was stolen from a police car during the height of monday night's riots and protests. it was apparently taken from one of the two patrol cars you see here, was torched. police telling cnn it was locked up when it was removed. and it's incidents like this, they say, that are exposing tensions between federal and local officials between police response to the protests, period. let me go to washington to our senior political correspondent, brianna keilar. brianna, what do you know about the back and forth on this one? >> reporter: there is a lot of tension, because what you had was this unified command. a coalition, really, of law
enforcement. you have st. louis city police, st. louis county. missouri highway patrol, under that, you have missouri national guard fitting in there. and that is who all was in charge on monday night. certainly a lot of federal oversight. so you're hearing from local officials now. they say that because of the scrutiny that they've been getting from the federal government and a pressure to take what they describe as a softer touch, that's part of the reason why you saw this violence really get out of hand on monday. and it was certainly much more than expected. you had ten cars, ten police cars that were damaged or destroyed. that ar-15, which is a serious weapon, that's a semi-automatic rifle, and the rack that it was in, in this police car, were stolen. but at the same time, when you hear from the federal government side of things, they're saying, you know, not exactly true, because we're not saying that they should take us off for approach. that's not what we told them to do, not what we trained local officials to do. we were talking about smaller policing tactics. but at the same time, there is this back and forth.
you've seen the federal government get involved in framing, and definitely in the scrutiny with the justice department investigating and the attorney general and president obama weighing in on what we saw this summer. really aggressive police tactics. >> i think it's also important to point out the context. i think anderson did a great job of this when all of this was sort of happening monday night after the grand jury decision came down. the fact that, you know, the fire set to cars and the looting, this was one concentrated part of ferguson, right? according to st. louis city police, this was not pervasive throughout this city. >> that's right. and you saw different police, i guess, installments dealing with different parts of the city. st. louis city police, they really didn't see that violence that we certainly focused on, because that's the real trouble spot. that was really st. louis county police that was seeing those issues. and you also hear from a lot of officials, local and federal, who say there were just some
people in ferguson who came prepared to cause trouble. and you know, you couldn't really stop them. certainly, some of them. they were sort of hell-bent on making problems. >> we'll see you later today, right? are you doing sit room? >> that's right. see you at 4:00. >> see you then, brianna keilar. thank you very much. meantime, was the man who helped perform an autopsy on michael brown qualified to do it? questions swirling about his credentials. cnn has tracked him down and this is how he responded to one of his critics. listen to this. >> he has. holy [ bleep ]! excuse my language. but i've got e-mails to prove him and i going back and forth can the fact that he ignores me. he's a [ bleep ]! >> we will play you his full response, coming up. don't miss it.
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questions are swirling about a man who served as an assistant on one of the autopsies on michael brown's body. a cnn investigation raises new concerns about sean parcell's qualifications. cnn's senior medical correspondent, elizabeth cohen, has more on parcell's past. elizabeth? >> reporter: brooke, the ferguson, missouri, case created a media star out of an assistant pathologist. but a cnn investigation shows that he may not be exactly what he appears to be. >> out of the death and violence in ferguson, missouri, this summer, a turn to be a media star for a man named shawn parcells. >> first of all, i'm professor shawn parcells. >> reporter: he dazzled with details on the private autopsy of michael brown. >> two gunshot wounds to the head, indicating that mr. brown was bending over as they were coming down. >> we're back with shawn parcells, who assisted in the autopsy of michael brown. >> now shawn parcells. >> even here on cnn, he's appeared in the media time and
again as a forensic pathology expert. we know he assisted dr. michael baden in the private autopsy commissioned by michael brown's family. baden said he was a good assistant. parcells is not a doctor. we know he calls himself a forensic medical consultant, a medical investigator, and a professor. but is he what he says he is? >> so you call yourself a professor? >> yes. >> where are you a professor? >> i'm an adjunct professor at washburn university in topeka, kansas. >> reporter: but that, as far as we could tell, isn't accurate. we contacted washburn university. they say, while he has spoken to nursing students, he's not now, and never been an adjunct professor there. >> washburn university says that's not true. >> okay, i have a contract that states that it is true. >> can you show us that contract? >> i can. >> reporter: but he never sent us that contract showing he was an adjunct professor. he later said it was proprietary. >> i see him as a fraud. i mean, that's the best word i
would say to describe shawn parcells to me. >> how about you? >> manipulator. >> very good con artist, is the way i'd put it. >> reporter: in missouri, deputies sheriff grant gillett and dustin jeffers said he performed an autopsy without a doctor present. so he presented himself as a pathologist, as a medical doctor? >> that is correct. >> reporter: and he seemed believable? >> yes. >> reporter: you two are both experienced law enforcement officers, and even you were duped? >> that's right. >> reporter: the deputies say without a medical doctor's signature on robert forrester's autopsy report, it's not valid. >> it's been more than two years since the crime. can you move forward with the prosecution? >> we cannot move forward with that case at this time at all. >> reporter: why not? >> the autopsy was not performed legally, so we cannot use any evidence found from the autopsy in a court of law to be used, to prosecute any suspects on the case.
>> caller: that means, according to the deputies, bobby forrester, suspected of killing his grandfather, was set free, and he went on to beat up his grandmother. shawn parcells says he never told the deputies he was a doctor. >> if they want to think i'm a doctor, that's their issue. people assume stuff all the time, and they may never action. it's bad that they're assuming and they never ask. >> reporter: parcells, who has a batchelor's degree, says he's supervised by medical doctors, but sometimes they're not present when he performs an autopsy procedure. so you do autopsies where there's not a pathologist or an md anywhere in the room? >> at times. sometimes the pathologist is there and sometimes they're not. >> reporter: you're not an md. >> i'm not an md. >> reporter: but it's legal for you to be cutting up bodies, taking organs out, making observations? >> yes. >> reporter: this, even though a letter on his own company's letterhead states unequivocally,
that during each and every forensic autopsy conducted, the attending pathologist is present at all times. we always have the attending pathologist present and directing the autopsy examination. and if you think that's shocking, the owner o of this funeral home says parcells promised to arrange for an autopsy on the remains of an unidentified body, but didn't show up for more than a week. maggots appeared. and where's that body now? phelps county deputy coroner lenox jones would love to know. he says he's not heard from parcells in more than a year. when we asked parcells where's the body, we got a barrage of obscenities. >> lenox jones says he's never heard back from you. >> he has. holy [ bleep ]! excuse my language, but i got [ bleep ] e-mails to prove him and i going back and forth and the fact that he ignores me. he's a [ bleep ]! you want to be truthful? he is a [ bleep ]. and i'm sorry to cuss like this on your cameras, but this particular case pisses me off. >> reporter: parcells added that
the coroner can pick up the body from his morgue in topeka anytime. so with coroners and law enforcement so angry, why haven't they gone after him? dr. mary case, chief medical examiner for st. louis county, says prosecutors might be worried. she says some of them may have used his autopsy reports to get convictions. convictions they don't want overturned. >> could be a problem for that prosecuting attorney if that prosecutor has prosecuted somebody based upon shawn's findings. of course, that's a problem. >> for the prosecutor. >> for the prosecutor. >> so no one wants to go after him? >> no one has. no one has, to this point. >> now, a county in missouri did file a complaint with the state's medical licensing board, saying they expected a pathologist to be at the procedure, but instead, parcells did it on his own. the board closed the case without taking any action, and they wouldn't tell us why. brooke? >> hmm, okay. elizabeth cohen, thank you. we also need to point out that parcells insists that the
forrester death investigation, his words, was doomed from the start, because the dead man's body was embalmed prior to the autopsy and the sheriff's department never turned over records they needed for the autopsy report to be completed. one final note, the sheriff's office says parcells never, ever asked for such records. are you about to head out and brave the cold and the crowds to snag some thanksgiving day and black friday deals? yes? before you do, we will let you know what is worth the hassle and if it's better to just wait. by 1914 the dodge brothers and set out on their own.pany they believed in more, than the assembly line. they believed driving was a holy endeavor. a hundred years later the dodge brothers spirit lives on.
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after you have eaten all that good, holiday turkey, most people go shopping or go to the movies. the question is, which one? >> now i'm killing germans in germany. >> we had it all. >> you were a movie star, remember? >> who is this guy? >> he used to be birdman. >> i like that poster. >> you are entering into the most dangerous country on earth. kim jong-un's people believe anything he tells them, including that he can speak to dolphins or he doesn't urinate and defecate. >> brad pitt, michael keith ton, josh rogin, james franco, here to sort it all out, with me on thanksgiving day -- >> i'm happy to say there are no turkeys at the cineplex this
weekend. all good stuff. >> let's talk about brad pitt in "fury." >> his wife angelina directed "unbroken" coming out at the end of the year. "fury" is where they lead a war with nazis. it's a decent war film if you like that kind of thing. >> how is he? >> he's good. >> i just saw the preview to the steven hawking film and the backstory when he's young and met his wife and how she stands by him. >> the theory of everything. >> it's a relationship about he and his wife, played by felicity jones. some people think it's too oscar bait. he comes down with a neuron motor disease that's devastating
and extremely challenging. he has to relearn a lot of things just to communicate and the wife becomes a caregiver. he dumped her for the nurse. >> spoiler alert. >> no. this is real life. >> we know the story. i'm curious, when you say oscar bait, what does that mean? >> it has the glow of dignity that cries out for academy award nominations. it's very good. >> it is very good. warranted, michael keeton, where has he been? >> i don't know. michael keaton plays a star who is seeking credibility through a play on broadway and it's about actors and also involves -- >> the narcissistic -- get out of here. >> they are horrible. stay away. except for brad pitt. >> i'm kidding. >> it involves realism and
michael keaton's character levitates. naomi watts, emma stone -- >> where has michael keaton been? >> he was in remission. show business is up and down. the public enjoys gathering round and seeing someone regroup and rise into a phoenix. it's going to happen to me some day. >> benedict, i ran into him at the cnn heroes and everybody is buzzing about this guy. if you're a huge sherlock holmes' fan -- >> it looked like it wasn't going to happen but "imitation
game," he plays the real-life guy who cracked the nazi code. big year for world war ii movies. >> apparently. >> winston churchill gave him credit for that. he was a genius. he was socially awkward and may have had asperger's and was gay when it was extremely illegal to be gay in england. he's holding his own secret. he and kiera knightly are wonderful. >> love them. >> and then a movie about kim jong-un? >> it's the same people who did "this is the end." they play people who do a tabloid tv show much different than this one. this one has dignity and class. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. they actually go to north korea to interview kim because kim is part of their tabloid show and
then the cia roots him to assassinate kim. in north korea they are condemning the film. >> michael, thank you so much. come back. come back for the next holiday movies. thank you and so much for watching. happy thanksgiving. my friend brianna keilar is up next. >> thanks, brooke. right now in the cnn newsroom, ferguson fallout. dozens try to disrupt the new york thanksgiving day parade. daring raid. u.s. commandos go deep into a terrorist stronghold to rescue al qaeda hostages, including an american. and we're learning more details about the mission. that includes a deadly fire fight. and north korea power shift. kim jong-un's little sister